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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!CraigDouglasDworkinwrote:>>Dear !
+++++++MiekalAndwrote:>IhaftachimeinthatIvebeenbummedalldaya +
,WednesdaysatNoon:>>21January:SusanHowe>28January:KathleenFr ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>hughsteinbergwrote:I'dliketosecondthatrequest.I'msittingi >
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[ifanyoneisinterestedineavesdroppingonthepoeticslist,thishas [
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ary,from6-8pmatthe>StanfordBookstore,inthecenteroftheStanfor a
aser>11February:TomRaworthandKennethGoldsmith>25February:Col a
alpoetryscene,IhavetosaythatI'mdisappointedthatMarjoriePerlo a
comeuptoday&I'llgladlyforwardanyonesanswerstothepoeticslisti c
cker>>Hopingtoseeyouthere,>CraigDouglasDworkin~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ c
dCampus(800-533-2670for>directionsandparking).Thisisthefirst d
erforming/enacting>"UnrepresentativeVerse"thisTuesday,13Janu e
eSwensenandDianeWard>4March:JoanRetallack>11March:JohannaDru e
elanetz,DickHiggins,BillDiMichele,GregorySt.Thomasino,Marily e
ein,whoisalate-comingdabblerinthefield,andneedsnocareerboost e
endigging>thetrenches&foxholesinthevisual/verbalfront.Itseem e
ecreatedatleastonevisualwork.@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ e
enowwouldbeagoodtimetoaskeitherorbothofyoutopost,ifyoucould, e
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ff,whohastheculturalweighttodoagooddealforsuchunder-apprecia f
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hanJohanna>Drucker.&especiallytheabsenceofallthefolkswhovebe h
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m/qazingulaza/index.htmlspidertanglewordround/onlinehyperwri m
nwrote:Asalong-timeparticipantinandfolloweroftheAmericanvisu n
nRosenberg,MichaelBasinski,JakeBerry,ScottHelmes,HarryPolinh n
nonPerloff'sseminaronvisualpoetics,andanysuggestions,directi n
orn(andonandon,tospeakonlyofthosecontemporaryAmericanvisualp o
oetswhosenamesareonthetipofmytongue),choosesinsteadtokickoff o
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@ovid.Stanford.EDU>From:BrianReed<bmreed@leland.Stanford.EDU @
Date:Mon,12Jan199821:47:27-0800MIME-Version:1.0Content-Trans D
EDU>;Mon,12Jan199821:47:28-0800Message-ID:<01BD1FA3.AD4A4D20 E
Innowaywilltheclassitselfberestrictedtoanyonepositionorcliqu I
Internetpoetryresourcesthatshewillbeusinginthecourse.Itmenti I
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XAA27885for<dtv@mwt.net>;Mon,12Jan199823:43:34-0600(CST)Rece X
dotherpoetries.Asusual,Prof.Perloffwillalsobeencouragingstud d
entstobringinsupplementalpoetry&criticismwherevertheyfindit. e
e.AnditwillcertainlynotbeanapologiaforL=A=N=G=U=A=G=Epoetry; e
ence,adesperatelyneededseriesofpoetryreadingsinwoefullyyuppi e
ePaloAltoatauniversitywheresheisconstantlyfightinganuphillba e
eemscalculatedtobuildupon&popularizethescholarshipbroughttob e
earonvisualpoetryintherecentanthology"Experimental,Visual,Co e
ekindsofincomparableresearch&writingthatcameoutofProf.Perlof e
ford.EDUwithMicrosoftMailid<01BD1FA3.AD4A4D20@ovid.Stanford. f
fer-Encoding:7bitContent-Type:text/plain;charset="us-ascii"H f
f'srecentclassesonPostmodernPoetics&onNewYorkPoets.Iwillnowg f
gto,thekindsofcrudecategorizations&polemicalstancescommoninc g
ived:fromovid.Stanford.EDU(ovid.Stanford.EDU[36.183.0.91])by i
ithMarjoriePerloff,soIthoughtitwouldbeusefulifIweighedinwith i
inrecentyearsherclasseshavebeenavenuefordebating,notassentin i
loPoeticslist.)ThereadingseriesthatProf.Perloffhasorganizedt l
llasConcretePoetry&examplesofmorerecentwork.Theseminarwillal l
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mytwocentsonthedebateoverhervisposeminar,justasaclarificatio m
mmentssuperfluous.(Note:IamnotcurrentlyasubscribertotheBuffa m
mmer(1997).Ihavenodoubtthattheseminarwillyetagainencourageth m
nifnothingelse.Feelfreetoforward/post/orrefertowhatIhavetosa n
ncrete"(1996)andattheEye-RhymesconferenceinAlbertathispastsu n
nograph&itspossiblerelationstoClarkCoolidge's_SoundasThought n
owdy,Miekal--I'magraduatestudentatStanfordUniversityworkingw o
oaccompanyherseminarisjustthat,somethingtoaccompany&fleshout o
ontemporaryAmericanpoetry.Moreover,Imyselfpreparedahandouton o
ons,amidstmuchelse,theEPC,thePoeticslist,Wr-eye-tings,andUbu o
oetryrespresentedon,say,theWr-eye-tingsscratchpad.Asalways,P o
obackintomycubbyholetofretoverHartCrane'sobsessionwiththepho o
pobox4.Stanford.EDU(8.8.7/8.8.7/L)withSMTPidVAA12087for<dtv@ p
rof.Perloffisinterestedinwideningknowledgeofandexposuretothe r
rityasacriticonthebasisofpartialinformationaboutwhatis,iness r
siderationinhercourse,noristhecoursepeggedtothatlistofwriter s
s.HersyllabusincludesGeorgeHerbert,Apollinaire,andPound,aswe s
sobecross-disciplinary,drawingonvisualartandarthistory,andit s
thekindofmaterialthattheywillbecoveringintheclassroom.Itisno t
tanaccuratereflectionoftherangeofauthorsthatwillcomeundercon t
tremendous,andexciting,diversityofexperimentalpoeticscurrent t
today.Ihopethatnooneleapstoconclusionsabouther(ab)useofautho t
ttleonbehalfofneglectedwriters.IapologizeifIsoundslightlyhot t
willbeinternational,touchingonBrazilian,American,Canadian,an w
y,unlessProf.PerlofforCraigDworkinrespondbeforehand&makemyco y
_.Icanbereachedatbmreed@leland.stanford.edu.Yours,BrianReed  _

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"Aswemaythink"isacalltoinformationlinearcivilizationtostartd "
&stevedores.TheresultisthesameasifIdidnothing:whichIdodaily. &
,awakeupcalltotheartworldtoenter&becometheinformationage,ver ,
._____________________________________QAZINGULAZA:And/Was/Wa .
1959,TasmaniatranscribedfromBernPorter'sI'veLeft;amanifestoa 1
Obsolenscencerevoltsme.Theallegedmodernisarepetitionoftheanc O
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aftertime.whichhotlinksmetoBernPorter's1959manifestoI'veLeft a
amsIfingerzero,readjustmycouchinavoidthatslothbuilt,thebette a
amatallplaces,inallforms,atalltimes.Whatwerebooksbecamewords a
alandtruestate.ItransformedtheworldandinsodoingIfoundmyself. a
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cesoflocomotion,subterranean,surfaceandaerialequallyreduce.I c
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edwordbecomesaparticleofthoughtenergy.Thedrawn,photographed, e
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extensionofskinwithoutembellishment.Theatreapageantofmaskeds e
ganswhereindesiringtomakeknownmywishesImerelythinktheminafre g
glewordround/onlinehyperwritingworkshophttp://net22.com/qazi g
hythmsofradiantenergythatstimulatedmyeyewheneverIwishedthem. h
itistheunacknowledgedpaperworkofthe20thcenturywhichformeinfo i
inuingtobewailit,andtheboredom,inertiaandstupidityofeverythi i
ientdecoratedinchrome,styledwithair-flowandcolor-engineeredt i
ivilizedthingwasleftunmodifiedorunrevertedtoitsnatural,logic i
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mproposingsomethingtohelpgetoutofthestagnation,insteadofcont m
megaseousfusionsincolorsimilarlyprojected,thenallprevailingr m
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ndatestamentofscience&art,publishedbySomethingElsePress,1971 n
orrupttheuserbywithdrawinghisattentionfromthisfact."EdwardHy o
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pectators.Automobiles,bodyrockets.Toys,fondlinginthedark.Noc p
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aysbeengoodbusiness.overheardfromellissitzkyin19231)Printedw a
aterialshouldbeusedtoorganizeapageinaccordancewiththenewvisu a
alperiod.6)Asequenceofpages,thecineamatographicbook.7)Anewbo a
ectionofacabbagevisualpoetry?isanenvelopecirculatedfromperso e
heinfinityofbooksmustbeconquered.ElectroLibrary.fromMerzNo4_ h
isahypertextvisualpoetry?isapoetperformingtheprintofacross-s i
ical&inextricablyorganic&movingatbiologicallyrecursivespeeds i
iatewordsandformedlettersofthealphabet.3)Thoughtsshouldbeexp i
ntoperson&countrytocountryvisualpoetry?arefontdingbatsvisual n
oughtsarebynomeansnew,justasfunctionalityinadvertisinghasalw o
ordsareseenandnotheard.2)Thoughtsarecommunicatedbytheappropr o
okrequiresnewmeansofwriting,theinkwellandquillareathingofthe o
poetry?theconvergenceofhypermediainthe20thcenturyistechnolog p
past.8)Aprintedbookhasconqueredtimeandspace.Printedpagesandt p
ressedwithmaximumeconomy,opticallyandphonetically.4)Acomposi r
stwebsite:http://net22.com/qazingulaza/index.htmlJOGLARSCros s
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.onesizefitsall&Imsuretherecanbenocomplaints.inthespiritofne .
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abusticket&ahotmeal.orclosertohome,howmanyvisualpoetswithins a
asaholographic&inclusivememeasitsoperatingengine,kindofliker a
aneously.soifwe'reinthebusinessoftryingonshoes,Ihighlyrecomm a
ealtoofyourpostsseemsdefensive&confronted&methinksthatyouare e
etsseemstoneedashoehorntofitintotheinternationalvisualpoetry e
ecificallyinternational&infestedwithsacredclowns&dadasavants e
ereadingthanasurveyofmovementsisahyperlinkedtimemachinethath e
eadingall30,000volumesoftheSacknervisual/verbalarchivesimult e
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misreadingmyintentions,asmystancefromthebeginningofpublishin m
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